The circus in Ottawa continues.
The Liberals and NDP continue to bark like a pack of dogs about Afghan detainee abuse BY OTHER COUNTRIES, as the Conservative government continues on its way to impose police state legislation on Canadian citizens.
And when the person who is directly suggested to be responsible for fielding Richard Colvin's concerns, namely, David Mulroney, is brought to respond to the information suggested by Colvin, the NDP and Liberals are obviously happy to hear from him too, aren't they?
Well, apparently not.
This was the response of the NDP:
"We never asked for him. This wasn't on our agenda," said NDP MP Paul Dewar.No, I guess not. This isn't about "truth" and this isn't about what is right and wrong. It is the only thing the hapless Liberals and NDP can do to stem the tide of the Conservative juggernaut that's rolling in Canada.
Rolling out questionable, even fascist, legislation like Bill C-47.
Uh, Michael.. a little help?
While its all well and fine for the Liberals and NDP to stand up for the Taliban, I guess I have one question:
Who is speaking up for Canadians?
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Well Rob, if this is about the truth, a little inquiry would be in line, no?
I mean the Conservatives surely have nothing to hide, right?
And this is not standing up for the Taliban - it's standing up for innocents...
As for Bill C-47, I don't see much opposition coming from your colleagues... what gives? Should you not be rallying for them to do something?
Oh.. the whole situation is ridiculous.
The reason that there is nothing on Blogging Tories in opposition is pretty much the same reason there is almost nothing in the Liblogs either.
It isn't going to help "our guys" to question the obvious.
Beyond that.. the "law and order" crowd on the right are just too happy to erode things like presumptions of innocence to "get the bad guys", and then impose manditory minimum sentencing.
And the Liberals are having way too much fun with the whole Colvin situation to do anything to aswer the interests of people at home, particularly if it puts them at risk of looking like they don't want to "get the bad guys."
This current situation is really a tragedy all the way around. It is democracy at its worst.
But it's all sort of related in completely stupid way, I mean, everyone loves to make rules to tell people what to do, whether it's here in Canada, or over in Afghanistan.. because it doesn't affect THEM. Or so they think.
Perhaps we should reintroduce the draft, and force all of us to spend some time contemplating the reality of armed conflict before we feel comfortable to stand up and complain over how the military handles itself.
And.. to be fair, perhaps we should all be detained by a Brit or Canadian, and be asked to be placed into an Afghan jail.. point taken maybe.
Then perhaps all of us should be charged with an offense and have the very real fear of prosecution, and the certainty of humiliation even if we did nothing and are aquitted, before we can stand up and say, "let's reduce personal liberty".
But we aren't. We're all comfortably talking esoterically about such things from the comfort of our laptops, aren't we?
But.. hey, as long as it's the "other guy".. well, we can sleep well, looking the other way.
Hey Cherny...sooo, I assume you wouldn't be amiss to this guy testifying then....after all, seems that most of it happened under your party's watch - and it was the Conservative government that changed it.
What's that smell - why it's the s*it that your party has on it's shoes while it is trying to convince Canadians that the smell is coming from somewhere else.
You guys should really learn to check things out before you go off half cocked in an attempt to create another pseudo scandal. These things always seem to point back to the Liberals.
A little honesty wouldn't hurt Rob. This is a stunt by the government, it is not the first time they've played havoc with scheduled committee appearances to put a wrench in things. The opposition has been more that clear that they want Colvin's reports before Mulroney is allowed to testify. Talk about selective reporting Rob, sheesh.
As an aside, I continue to find it disturbing that you can't distinguish between "the taliban" and the rest of the Afghan population. But I guess they all look alike! I would also find it disturbing that a self-professed "libertarian" has no issue with the Canadian government complicity in this. What a joke. Take the blinders off.
** would also find it disturbing that a self-professed "libertarian" has no issue with the Canadian government complicity in this...
but the disconnect between libertarians' stated beliefs and their position on individual issues no longer surprise me.
The Fascist NDP and Liberals don't want the "whole" truth. They only want to revisit the issue from 2006 forward.
Only people who can say negative things are allowed or welcome before the committee. If you are going to refute Colvin's testimony you are NOT welcome.
It is incredible from 2002-2006 just before the Liberals faded from power all those "farmers" and innocent Taliban were given only hugs by the locals.
Hey Albertart, I support the BQ...
So you're a leftist and a traitor?
Yes Kursk...
*sigh*
I'm guessing that you are Connie? So it is safe to assume that you are an idiot and moron, correct?
Take a good look at the comments on this post.. it's a bit of a joke.
We have some serious shit going on and it's all just politics as usual.
CWTF and CR don't give a rats ass about some Taliban..err.. innocent Afghans.
And you know what, they DO all look alike. Think about it for a moment you stupid ass.. do you really think that Taliban walk around with a uniform on?
I mean, little Omar Khadr was 15 years old and making bombs to kill Canadians.. it wasn't like he was some wild eyed psycho with the word "Taliban" tatooed to his head.
And this is where our soldiers do their jobs. Where every single citizen they see may well try and kill them, every day.
Think about THAT.
I would love the "truth" to come out. All the way around. Let the politicos explain what they did or didn't do.. and then have about a thousand soldiers give their story about what a freaking nightmare it is in Afghanistan, where your friend today is your enemy tomorrow.
And force every man, woman and child to look at the results of the "innocent" Afghan citizens.
Easy to criticize from our armchairs here, no?
It certainly is you ignorant twit. EVERY SINGLE EXPERT who has spoken, from our senior intelligence official in Washington, to NATO and UN diplomats, to unembedded journalists, to NGOs, have made it clear that most of the people detained and tortured ARE NOT TALIBAN. Read that again you fascist idiot. Why on earth do you think these farmers, delivery boys and shop keepers are walking around talking to journalists about their experiences? Taliban gets a spanking and then is set free? Are you f'ing kidding? People are detained in Afghanistan in the same way they're detained at protests in Canada. These people are in the wrong place at the wrong time and are tortured for their bad luck. Spare me the nonsense CPC talking points hack. Educate yourself you useless hack. Get off your high horse when it comes to partisanship, you're no better than a Taylor or Shaidle. I'm out of here. Enjoy your bobbing heads.
Uh. Yeah.
The Canadian forces are wandering around arresting and detaining all sorts of people for no reason whatseover.
This notion of "innocents" may well, in the final analysis be somewhat true.. but my point is, go stand a post in Afghanistan and explain to me how you KNOW who the "good" Afghanis are.
Apparently we just need to send you to Afghanistan to go door to door and use your acute powers of perception to explain to the troops who should or shouldn't be questioned.
Time to reinstate the draft, so that every able bodied individual in Canada - our brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren, will all get the chance to take up arms.. and then we'll see to what extent you want to attack the military for not doing everything possible for protection of detainees.
And.. again, read the freaking post.
I concede that even when I'm making these broad statements I probably have to also consider how I would feel if I were an innocent shopkeeper or whatever and was being put in harm's way.
My point was there is a balance.. but that doesn't ring true with someone who just wants to use the current situation to make political points.
And. Oh. By. The. Way.
The protocols were set up by the Liberal government.
The Liberal government shut down the last inquiry where foreign nationals were actually murdered by Canadian troops.
So.
Glass houses.
Stones.
You know the drill..
CR,
tortue is wrong, why do we care if a farmer, shopkeeper, taliban distinction is rounded up?
Is it now okay to torture certain people?
Get off you high horse.
Where are the "Reports" conclusive proof of your claims?
Every Nato country is covering up and is complicit in war crimes?
What year did Nato arrive? No is denying torture may have taken place since 2002 as a result of detainees being turned over.
How many detainees have been turned over to the local authorities since Nato arrived?
Where is the proof, what paper or court has printed, convicted a single case please send the link.
Having a bad day Rover?
Let me guess!
It started to go wrong when those Generals demolished that so called “Expert”.
All in all, your post was quite a belly laugh.
It is a real pity that you’re leaving for good though.
It’s true, you don’t know how good you got it until it’s gone.
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